If kethu in fifth place and rahu in eleventh place and all planets in between this also kaal sarp dosha sir?

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If kethu in fifth place and rahu in eleventh place and planets not in between them then do we call this kaal sarp dosha sir?

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If no kaal sarp doshh in natal chart…. but if it appears in navamsha chart and in navamsha chart also mercury and kethu in third place and rahu alone in 9 th place in navamsa . so appudu kooda edhi kal sarp doshamane antara sir. I got doubt because kethu is not alone in navamsa hence asking sir